2002 Tribe draft picks from PD

[*TR]

From the PD jan. 20;
The draft:

Although the order could change slightly, it appears the Indians will have seven of the first 94 picks in the June draft.

They'll draft 22nd in the first round, followed by compensation picks between the first and second round for losing free-agent Juan Gonzalez to Texas and failing to sign No. 1 pick Alan Horne from last year's draft. In the second round, they have their normal pick and receive a compensation pick between the second and third rounds for losing free-agent Marty Cordova to Baltimore.

In the third round, they have Texas' pick as compensation for Gonzalez and their own third-round pick.

"This draft is much deeper in high school position players than last year's," said John Mirabelli, Indians scouting director.
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Looks like we get a raw deal with Gonzo signing with Texas. If the Mets had signed Juan we would have received their first round pick (#17 overall). Because Texas is drafting in the first 15 picks (those are never given as compensation) we should get their 2nd round pick + 1st round sandwich pick. But it looks like the Dodgers will get Texas 2nd round pick for Chan Ho Park (must have had a higher Elias rating) and the Tribe is dropped down to Texas' 3rd round pick.
Still, looks like the opportunity for another productive draft to stock the farm system. 2001 looked pretty good, pressure is on Mirabelli to do it again.

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[This message has been edited by *TR (edited January 21, 2002).]

[srg]

Shapiro and Mirabelli are on the same page, They both agree that the way to go is with HS pitching unlike Hart's Philosophy of drafting Hitters: David Miller and Danny Peoples, both Stiffs. It is refreshing to know we have a GM that undertstands that u can only win with pitching.

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[*TR]

I don't like that word that you "only" win with pitching. No WS champ recently have really been hitless wonders. And you may only win with pitching but it doesn't seem to be with pitching you developed. Both the Yankees and even-more-so the D'Backs have depended on pitchers signed as free agents or traded for. Nothing is more unpredictable long term than HS pitchers. A better organization to emulate might be the A's who emphasize college pitchers and HS hitters.

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[This message has been edited by *TR (edited January 20, 2002).]

[srg]

The 96 Yankees won with the 9th best offense in the league, the 85 Royals were next to last in the AL in scoring. The point is if you have pitching you can go a long way. Hart never figured that out but Shapiro has.

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[*TR]

The 1996 Yankees were 2ND in the AL in team batting (.288). It would be misleading to claim they were the ninth best offense. They were 9th in runs scored. All that really shows was their inefficiency in the regular season and the potential they had to be better in the post-season. No team that was 2ND in the league in team batting are hitless wonders!
As for the '85 Royals, they might as well be the 1906 Cubs for all the relevancy they have to today's game.
If there is a common thread to recent WS winners it is pitchers signed as free agents and pitchers acquired via trade.
And all recent WS winners could hit!

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[This message has been edited by *TR (edited January 20, 2002).]

[srg]

The point is that a middle of the road offense can win with good pitching. The 85 Royals are not the antiquaited team that you believe, History proves that good pitching can win with mediocre offense. John Hart never figured this out, his philosophy of five and fly starters-a good pen and great hitting wins nuthing significant.

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[Hawaii007]

INteresting...that Elias thought Park was worth more compared to Gonzo in comparing the stats. Guess it really helped to pitch in Chavez Ravine. Yah it really blows the Tribe got such a low pick for Gonzo. Oh well.

Intriguing that they said it was deep in HS position players...looks like we are going to see a bunch of OFs and 1B drafted by the Tribe and hope that 50% of them turn out to be the real deal.

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[viper123]

Too early to tell if shapiro gets it. Just because we have young pitching in place that Hart helped bring here. I'm sick of people saying that Hart's way didn't work. The guy got us to two world series. I guess the other 24 major league teams that haven't won the world series in the past 10 years don't get it either. I think Shapiro can be good, but we'll see. SRG, how can you praise a guy who's major mark right now is a questionable deal. I think we have some good young pitching, but they are unproven, for the past three years the White Sox supposedly have had some pitching studs, none of them have really made the turn. I like the direction of pitching, but you need some key hitters, which is something we seem to be lacking. I'll give shapiro a couple of years to see the direction he takes.

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viper

[Carolina Blue]

The Indians draft will be like this #22, #35, #43, #65, #75, #86, #98

The Mets' first round pick was unattainable.

I think Mirabelli's drafts have been pretty mediocre, to be quite honest. The 2000 draft was just average. Corey Smith is not a very good prospect (very iffy), Tallet is somewhat decent and those Folsom/Swedlow characters...what the hell were the Indians thinking? Adam Cox was also a terrible pick.

This 2001 draft could really blow up in our faces. What is the success rate (making the majors) of a high school 1st round draft pick? About 30%? And the Indians spend 4.5 million dollars and the majority of their picks on teenaged pitching? All of these guys, Denham/Martin/Dittler/Foley, they all could get hurt and NEVER see the majors. It's likely two of them will never make it.

Let's face it, the 2000 draft was just average...nothing special. The 2001 draft has potential, I'd rate it a B/B+ on the scholastic scale, but these guys are MILES away from helping the major league club. Shapiro is a fool for taking all of those high school pitchers. He could be out of a job by the the time those guys see their rookie seasons.

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[srg]

Adam Cox and Derek Thompson were both injured, how can you say Cox was a terrible pick? Rashad Eldridge has had injury problems as well as Brudda Foo Choy. Jonathon VanEverry has numerous tools, Folsom and Swedlow were reaches I admit but calling Corey Smith an average pick shows your ignorance as well, i hope all our drafts blow up like the 2001. You still have time to delete your stupid post.

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